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I'm all for a proper meritocracy myself.
[ There's a snort of amusement. ]
When you find a proper anything, let me know.
[ Always flaws that build up in any system no matter how good it started as. ]
When you find a proper anything, let me know.
[ Always flaws that build up in any system no matter how good it started as. ]
I'm sure you've heard enough criticism for one day so just know not everyone disagrees with you.
Unfortunately, people here like to pile on, especially if they think Inmate rights are at stake.
Unfortunately, people here like to pile on, especially if they think Inmate rights are at stake.
Thanks for the message. I'm alright.
I'll take most of what's being said for what it is, don't worry.
[ He isn't clearly defining that, but whatever his stance is, he sounds sincere. ]
Besides, never had a job where being hated by a lot of people for doing it wasn't part of the description.
I'll take most of what's being said for what it is, don't worry.
[ He isn't clearly defining that, but whatever his stance is, he sounds sincere. ]
Besides, never had a job where being hated by a lot of people for doing it wasn't part of the description.
[His inmate is back together, he's had a couple conversations with his 'dad' and 'step-father', and he's talked through boundaries(kind of?) with his boyfriend. Now the apology tour, or really just the one night show here in Valentine town.]
Hey, I was a dick before. Happens when your inmate already hates you and then you gotta go on a gifted scavenger hunt to find the pieces just so he can yell at you when you're done. You want to ask questions, I'm here for it.
Hey, I was a dick before. Happens when your inmate already hates you and then you gotta go on a gifted scavenger hunt to find the pieces just so he can yell at you when you're done. You want to ask questions, I'm here for it.
I wasn't expecting you to be happy. So it's fine.
[ Vincent rarely expects people to be happy about being on the receiving end of a baited invitation to an interrogation party. ]
Main question's still the same. Who was involved in making it and capturing the Cat King?
[ Same reasons as he stated before as to why. ]
[ Vincent rarely expects people to be happy about being on the receiving end of a baited invitation to an interrogation party. ]
Main question's still the same. Who was involved in making it and capturing the Cat King?
[ Same reasons as he stated before as to why. ]
I've got too many horses in this race as it is, so the defensiveness wasn't anything to do with you, but I'm sure you know that.
[Hanna rubs at his temples a moment, he knew the question would be the same, and yet he still doesn't know how to present the information.]
There were two people, and now a while mess of wardens involved in the attempt to contain the stupid fucking tidal wave it's going to set off. [Just in case Vincent thought he wasn't taking this seriously.]
Vincent Smith and Sokie Undertown. They were seeking further reprocussions for my death last month. A week in Zero didn't put the right message forward in their minds, and this did.
[Hanna rubs at his temples a moment, he knew the question would be the same, and yet he still doesn't know how to present the information.]
There were two people, and now a while mess of wardens involved in the attempt to contain the stupid fucking tidal wave it's going to set off. [Just in case Vincent thought he wasn't taking this seriously.]
Vincent Smith and Sokie Undertown. They were seeking further reprocussions for my death last month. A week in Zero didn't put the right message forward in their minds, and this did.
"But what?"
Before Nanaki shifts, he'll receive a gentle nudge with the side of Vincent's boot. Buck up, kiddo. It's followed with a sigh.
"Enjoy it while it lasts." Vincent puts on an aggrieved tone that is faked. Mostly. They're both well aware of his reclusive nature.
But now Nanaki is looking up.
"That was a you. But not the you I know. So it's not something you need to apologize for. But... I'll accept it anyway." Because doing so means that Nanaki can move on and have closure.
Before Nanaki shifts, he'll receive a gentle nudge with the side of Vincent's boot. Buck up, kiddo. It's followed with a sigh.
"Enjoy it while it lasts." Vincent puts on an aggrieved tone that is faked. Mostly. They're both well aware of his reclusive nature.
But now Nanaki is looking up.
"That was a you. But not the you I know. So it's not something you need to apologize for. But... I'll accept it anyway." Because doing so means that Nanaki can move on and have closure.
Logically, Nanaki knew that to be true. But he still felt a little relief whenever Vincent accepted his apology. "Thanks."
He shifted until eventually he flopped onto his side. "Aren't you glad that you're stuck with me and not that hellhound?" Said with as cheeky a look as his beastly face could get.
He shifted until eventually he flopped onto his side. "Aren't you glad that you're stuck with me and not that hellhound?" Said with as cheeky a look as his beastly face could get.
[ Taking it seriously wasn't an issue. The proximity to the situation on the other hand... ]
I see.
[ There is not much surprise in Vincent's tone. Jokes about his manner of speaking aside, he'd had a hunch Sokie might be suspect. Smith's involvement isn't exactly a surprise; Hanna might not be open about the relationship between them but it was at least evident that they interacted frequently.
The Otherworld and its ritual come to mind for example. ]
I want to be clear that I don't have any intention of interfering. But if you find out what type of repercussions their wardens impose on them, I'd be interested to know.
I see.
[ There is not much surprise in Vincent's tone. Jokes about his manner of speaking aside, he'd had a hunch Sokie might be suspect. Smith's involvement isn't exactly a surprise; Hanna might not be open about the relationship between them but it was at least evident that they interacted frequently.
The Otherworld and its ritual come to mind for example. ]
I want to be clear that I don't have any intention of interfering. But if you find out what type of repercussions their wardens impose on them, I'd be interested to know.
Vincent takes faaaar too long (on purpose) adopting a thoughtful look after Nanaki asks which version he prefers.
"Hmm. Well, dude." He raises his right hand up, pinching the fingers close together. "Maybe about that much?"
Vincent doesn't have a smug expression or anything. He's very good at a serious face; to the point where one day it might just get stuck like that.
"Hmm. Well, dude." He raises his right hand up, pinching the fingers close together. "Maybe about that much?"
Vincent doesn't have a smug expression or anything. He's very good at a serious face; to the point where one day it might just get stuck like that.
A bunch of people more interested in complaining than focusing on the work they are actually here to do.
[ Archer has very uncharitable opinions. ]
I've seen it before. And the resentment we face as Wardens has always been there. In the five years I've been here, there's always been a dedicated group of very loud Inmates who like to make their objections widely known.
[ Archer has very uncharitable opinions. ]
I've seen it before. And the resentment we face as Wardens has always been there. In the five years I've been here, there's always been a dedicated group of very loud Inmates who like to make their objections widely known.
Can't exactly blame the inmates. Even criminals don't want to go to prison or follow the rules.
[ And not everyone here as an inmate is a criminal in the truest sense, but on a standard that the Admiral has judged deserving of the label of 'inmate' with the potential of 'change'.
But Vincent says nothing of the wardens having allowances. ]
Hrmph. That's not surprising either. Got names?
[ He'll be interested to look in on that. ]
[ And not everyone here as an inmate is a criminal in the truest sense, but on a standard that the Admiral has judged deserving of the label of 'inmate' with the potential of 'change'.
But Vincent says nothing of the wardens having allowances. ]
Hrmph. That's not surprising either. Got names?
[ He'll be interested to look in on that. ]
[ Archer can blame them, but it's not a point he cares to argue. ]
Tess. William. Rhys Strongfork. Carol Denning. Takeshi Kovacs. Those are the Inmate names that immediately come to mind.
There was also a fairly vocal Warden who believed we should be run like a much more strict prison system, but that idea gained very little traction at the time. Kristin Ortega.
Tess. William. Rhys Strongfork. Carol Denning. Takeshi Kovacs. Those are the Inmate names that immediately come to mind.
There was also a fairly vocal Warden who believed we should be run like a much more strict prison system, but that idea gained very little traction at the time. Kristin Ortega.
[ Vincent has a reasonably good head for names and does keep abreast of the inmate ledger. Which brings him to pause as the names are rattled off. ]
Unless you're talking about Will Graham before he was a warden, I don't think I ran into any of those people. Don't suppose you know who might be continuing that trend?
[ He has a few names on a list he's probably going to be checking out. There's also a thoughtful pause. ]
Despite what people might think from my attitude. I don't think a much more strict prison system is the answer. But there are several things that need to be addressed. So I can understand why that idea wasn't popular.
Unless you're talking about Will Graham before he was a warden, I don't think I ran into any of those people. Don't suppose you know who might be continuing that trend?
[ He has a few names on a list he's probably going to be checking out. There's also a thoughtful pause. ]
Despite what people might think from my attitude. I don't think a much more strict prison system is the answer. But there are several things that need to be addressed. So I can understand why that idea wasn't popular.
No. They were here and left long before your time.
One could make the argument Trevor was also such an individual the first time he was an Inmate - but he was less concerned about changing the current system as he was carrying out his own brand of justice. Though I'm sure he still objects to this place on principle.
[ As for the ones continuing the trend- ]
I would count some of the Inmates responding to Walter's post in that number. The ones giving you a hard time in particular.
And while I would object to a stricter system myself, it has been my experience that the ones who complain the loudest are also the least inclined to listen to other perspectives. Which makes it nearly impossible to engage in a good faith discussion.
One could make the argument Trevor was also such an individual the first time he was an Inmate - but he was less concerned about changing the current system as he was carrying out his own brand of justice. Though I'm sure he still objects to this place on principle.
[ As for the ones continuing the trend- ]
I would count some of the Inmates responding to Walter's post in that number. The ones giving you a hard time in particular.
And while I would object to a stricter system myself, it has been my experience that the ones who complain the loudest are also the least inclined to listen to other perspectives. Which makes it nearly impossible to engage in a good faith discussion.
Trevor has a bad tendency to hand out weapons to individuals he trusts without telling others.
[ It's not that giving weapons to inmates that can be trusted with them is bad. It's the lack of communication with people that should know those weapons are there that's the problem. ]
Well, his own brand of justice seems to have come around to bite him. [ There's no sign in his tone that suggests the gunman takes pleasure in that. ] And it's caused a stir.
I'm... working on a small project of my own. Hoping to gain insight on ways to present ideas of better cooperation and transparency. Hm. Time will tell if there's anything that changes.
[ It's not that giving weapons to inmates that can be trusted with them is bad. It's the lack of communication with people that should know those weapons are there that's the problem. ]
Well, his own brand of justice seems to have come around to bite him. [ There's no sign in his tone that suggests the gunman takes pleasure in that. ] And it's caused a stir.
I'm... working on a small project of my own. Hoping to gain insight on ways to present ideas of better cooperation and transparency. Hm. Time will tell if there's anything that changes.
Oh, I don't think there will be any. [Hanna isn't trying to hide it, and he figures that will come out eventually.]
I know Sokie was going to get an earful from Arthur, but Lark is just about ready to pick a fight in Vinny's defense. It's...kind of a weird line to walk with that in mind with his majesty, but seeing as he technically wasn't harmed aside from the inconvenience and strange feeling of being dismantled for a couple hours, I'm working a different angle than asking for repercussions.
Not that I think He or his buddy are going to let this be the end of it, but there are a bunch of eyes on this already. Hopefully we can nip anything else in this stupid vicious circle in the bud before it escalates again.
I know Sokie was going to get an earful from Arthur, but Lark is just about ready to pick a fight in Vinny's defense. It's...kind of a weird line to walk with that in mind with his majesty, but seeing as he technically wasn't harmed aside from the inconvenience and strange feeling of being dismantled for a couple hours, I'm working a different angle than asking for repercussions.
Not that I think He or his buddy are going to let this be the end of it, but there are a bunch of eyes on this already. Hopefully we can nip anything else in this stupid vicious circle in the bud before it escalates again.
[ There is a sigh. Definitely a sigh. But Vincent seems to move on, holding to his promise to intend not to protest how other wardens handle their inmates. Besides, something more important was said there. ]
Where's the device, Hanna?
[ It may be clear that this Vincent is not, for one second, buying the line of 'oh he wasn't technically harmed' or that there is some weird line here when solely considering what happened; a punishment was doled out by Ulla but further revenge was taken and is thus being treated as an extension of that by many involved. ]
Where's the device, Hanna?
[ It may be clear that this Vincent is not, for one second, buying the line of 'oh he wasn't technically harmed' or that there is some weird line here when solely considering what happened; a punishment was doled out by Ulla but further revenge was taken and is thus being treated as an extension of that by many involved. ]
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It was given to me by Vincent, at least the first piece. After I reassembled it, it was disposed of, and I made it perfectly clear to both of them that was the first and last one we needed to see on board.
[Hanna lies smoothly enough, he doesn't have a tell currently, and has no need to embellish it like he might if he was trying to hide something about himself. And technically he isn't lying at all. Disposed of into the back reaches of his closet, is still disposed of, right?]
It was a complicated process to create it, so that will at least deter them if they wanted to try and go behind my back to make another one.
[Hanna lies smoothly enough, he doesn't have a tell currently, and has no need to embellish it like he might if he was trying to hide something about himself. And technically he isn't lying at all. Disposed of into the back reaches of his closet, is still disposed of, right?]
It was a complicated process to create it, so that will at least deter them if they wanted to try and go behind my back to make another one.
[ No, Hanna. That's not disposed of unless the back of your closet happens to also be a crushing black hole capable of deleting the Flauros out of existence. That's putting it out of sight, out of mind. ]
What, as a gift?
[ The gunman might not question it now. But he'll probably remember this conversation and rethink that if he comes to better understand how deep the relationship is between the two. Another sigh escapes. ]
Complicated, huh? But it could be done with the resources they have and whatever limiters are currently in place. I'll keep that in mind. I doubt this is going to end here. You understand what I said before, don't you? Just because physical hurt wasn't involved doesn't mean this was harmful. Not even technically. Keep that in mind.
Also it's probably more important to consider this was not a punishment assigned by the warden in charge at the time but a direct attack to appease someone else's sense of justice. Having wardens brush off the implication and the impact of that just tells inmates they can't trust the punishments given by them to be the final word.
Though in the end, it's your choice if you want to become the type of warden who does.
[ It's not as if this is the only time wardens just shrugged off the cycle of retaliation. ]
What, as a gift?
[ The gunman might not question it now. But he'll probably remember this conversation and rethink that if he comes to better understand how deep the relationship is between the two. Another sigh escapes. ]
Complicated, huh? But it could be done with the resources they have and whatever limiters are currently in place. I'll keep that in mind. I doubt this is going to end here. You understand what I said before, don't you? Just because physical hurt wasn't involved doesn't mean this was harmful. Not even technically. Keep that in mind.
Also it's probably more important to consider this was not a punishment assigned by the warden in charge at the time but a direct attack to appease someone else's sense of justice. Having wardens brush off the implication and the impact of that just tells inmates they can't trust the punishments given by them to be the final word.
Though in the end, it's your choice if you want to become the type of warden who does.
[ It's not as if this is the only time wardens just shrugged off the cycle of retaliation. ]
Nanaki took offense to that. His ears fell flat.
"That's not funny, you know."
He absolutely was not whining. He maybe was pouting just a little.
"That's not funny, you know."
He absolutely was not whining. He maybe was pouting just a little.
Vincent knows when he pushes too far. And seeing a contrite Vincent means just that. He's taking the reaction seriously.
And that Nanaki is a dear friend whose opinion matters to him enough that he'd show such vulnerability. Rising from his seat, he crouches down to be more evenly face to face with the sitting feline and regards Nanaki with grave ruby eyes.
"I'd never replace a friend. I might become friends with someone like the hellhound Nanaki. But he wouldn't be you. The Floods, the Breach. They might bring other versions of us or cause us to interact in different ways, but that won't ever change my friendship with you. Do you understand?"
And that Nanaki is a dear friend whose opinion matters to him enough that he'd show such vulnerability. Rising from his seat, he crouches down to be more evenly face to face with the sitting feline and regards Nanaki with grave ruby eyes.
"I'd never replace a friend. I might become friends with someone like the hellhound Nanaki. But he wouldn't be you. The Floods, the Breach. They might bring other versions of us or cause us to interact in different ways, but that won't ever change my friendship with you. Do you understand?"
Nanaki sat back up as Vincent came down to him. His expression cleared as Vincent explained. Nanaki hadn't meant to express that much offense at the joke. But it was still nice to be reassured.
He nodded solemnly. "I do." He butted his head against Vincent's knee for added emphasis.
He nodded solemnly. "I do." He butted his head against Vincent's knee for added emphasis.
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